Posthumous Fame

MagyarSerbian.

Why do you think I am doing this? Why am I writing posts for this blog? Why am I making music? Why am I writing books? Why am I making videos? What’s the point? Why am I exposing myself to so much ‘heat’? What is it I want?

First some music:

 

We all have different priorities in life. Some just want to live as comfortably as they can. Others want ‘success’, whatever that means today. Some care about fame and fortune. I care about posthumous fame.

‘What’s the point?’, you might wonder. Why would I want fame that I will never be able to see or appreciate in any way?

Well, as I see it, the best we can do is to base everything we do on the assumption that we will be reborn in the kin, that we will – after we have died – return as our children’s children, or as their children, or as the children of somebody else we are related to. Whether we actually do or not is completely irrelevant; what matters is that we either believe that we do, or that we at least pretend to believe that we do and then base everything on this world view.

If we all had such a world view, we would not ruin our planet as we know it, we would not destroy what is good in our world or turn our world into a Hell on Earth, ruled by lying, perverse and greedy madmen, to be sorted out by those who come after us. No. We would instead worry more about the future and take steps to ensure that life also for those who come after us will be good, right, just and healthy.

What I do is to ensure that if I return some time in the future, the most important of what I know today, of what I learned in this life, will pass on to the future me, so that I don’t have to re-learn all of this the hard way. I wont have to re-interpret our mythology and read all those often boring books that I had to read to be able to get the knowledge base needed for me to write. I want to hand over my knowledge to my future self, so to speak.

Yes, the fame, or if you like infamy, I accumulate in this life will ensure that the future me will get to know about me, so that I can easily and fast re-learn the most important things I knew in this life. Hence I worry more about my posthumous fame than I do about fame. Fame matters no whit, unless it is also posthumous. I will not return to life until after I am dead, after all.

The ‘heat’ I generate in life, to put it that way, contributes to my posthumous fame. Yes, it also makes life for me so much harder and much less comfortable, but that is a price I am willing to pay. Because I know – or if you like; believe or just pretend I believe – that my posthumous fame matters so much more, and this fame is actually nourished by the ‘heat’.

When I die, my memory will be left amongst the living, and therefore when I return to life, I can return to myself, and continue living where I left the last time. Thus I not only can live forever, but I can accumulate experience and wisdom, and start each new life on increasingly solid ground. True greatness is not achieved in one single lifetime. You need to ‘save up’.

HailaR WôðanaR!

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66 thoughts on “Posthumous Fame

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  2. I do not like much the idea of being reborn only after death. Couldn’t we be reborn through our children while we are still alive? Why should we be “only one physical being at one time”? I don’t know if I express myself well, but I’ll take as example these cases of twins that are mentally and unconsciously connected, or members of my family that told me that I have some ways of my father though I’ve never known him, and that I’m talented in the fields he was into. It’s surely about DNA, we unfortunately know so little about the links between science and spirituality and the opposite is not about to happen in a christian society…

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  4. You are in good company, then. As the brilliant German rocket scientist and space architect Dr. Wernher von Braun said: “Nature does not know extinction; all it knows is transformation. Everything science has taught me, and continues to teach me, strengthens my belief in the continuity of our spiritual existence after death.”

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  6. Something maybe rather off topic. Varg, what is your opinion about meditation? On the one hand there is a contemplative type, who likes to meditate, in the alignments of Myfarog, but on the other hand you wrote this in one burzum.org post: “Meditation is a technique for the Asian man of yesterday, id est for a subhuman being incapable of achieving inner calm and total concentration without years of practice, and even then only manages this after hours of meditation, and I fail to muster any interest in this subject whatsoever.”

    • Ha ha. Yeah, I am sort of in line with that even today… but I was probably somewhat wrong. Or at least I exaggerated. I guess it can be good for some, and that’s fine.

      But I can add that in MYFAROG I didn’t have the Asian type meditation in mind, but more like general calm contemplation, like watching the stars one night whilst thinking.

      • Varg,

        I have been thinking that through a proper meditation one can achieve a state of mind and a state of body to take for example an extreme amount of heat. This has something to do with breathing so strongly from a tanden point (below naval), with abdomen and stopping it while one counts his own heartbeat from palm of the hand when hands are formed as a sacred mudras in front of a chest with fingers interlocked except the middle fingers which are pointing forward and touching each other. Somehow with this method the body starts to heat up naturally and of course with years of proper training the mind will somehow be ready for anything. Also meditation is connected with those points in human body that activates the other points, like tongue touching the “roof of mouth” as it is connected to heart etc. I believe this wisdom is universal and has got forgotten in Europe. Also in old texts it says that through meditation one can heal up physically. Maybe European symbolism with gods and goddesses, rune symbols and tales are also connected to man being able to be a wizzard with his own willpower, doing physical things that are beyond common sense. Like in traditional martial arts, the achievement is to forget oneself and cease the moment, and with this idea, finally for example to face the death without emotions and without fear.
        I have found the martial and patriarchal tradition from the East very interesting.

        Haven’t yet read the whole MYFAROG but I will connect this idea of (originally from Ninjutsu) making mudras (hand spells) to achieve some result of a spell, like that of resisting the fire or becoming invisible: with meditatively calm mind, bathing in a campfire smoke (to erase the smell), to move silently with proper equipments and skill (to erase the sound) etc.

        Thank you for the book! – Timo

  7. So, if a man dies on the roots of a tree, and decomposes on top of it, does he then become part of the tree? That’s an extension of one’s life to me.

    • So you don’t see how parts of you would live on as art of your descendants? You don’t see how your memory and knowledge can live on?

      And you don’t see the value of the doctrine explained in this post, as opposed to the materialistic-egoistic atheistic doctrine, or the life-hating Judeo-Christian doctrine celebrating death and rejecting life on Earth to start with?

      • I’ve thought about the ideas in this post and I hope you’re right! As far as my previous comment, it was off topic, but I meant it as an example of a possible “post-life” in nature. Whether we are reborn in our kin, or nature itself. Jews and Christians have no regards on how they leave this planet.. They like to focus too much on the afterlife and death, of course. God over family is their life order.

        • To avoid confusion, I am not referring to Hinduism version of reincarnation, but rather the circle of life in nature.

  8. The only strange impression I have from this post (that is very good however): at a certain point, it really seems that you talk about your current life as your “first of the chain”, your starting point…without considering the principles of which you talk about in relation to the fact that your current life is only a step in a Circular and Eternal vision of Life. To me there is a sensation of “linearity”…but it is about me, I know your point and vision.

    • Maybe the post gives you that impression, but it is not what I mean.

      In a sense though, we have to start anew, because we have lost so much for so long, but of course we just pick up from where we left it — in a sense a long time ago.

      • It’s like a rising sun. A rising sun is the start of a day, the start of the time, in which the sun shines, but it is at the same time only a point within the circle of day and night.

      • It’s only a matter of words, I know very well what is your (our, i.e. European) vision of Life.

        Yes, we can say that your current Life is the first of a cycle where on every step you are conscious of the truth about the European Mind, Body and Spirit. Something that hasn’t happened from a long time indeed.

        Thanks for giving us the opportunity to achieve something at least similar to this.

  9. I personally do not believe in reincarnation, I rather KNOW it for a fact! Who am I? What defines me? Isn’t it my DNA? They have proven that twins, who have the same DNA, also have the same or almost the same personality, even when they grew up not knowing each other. Further I have more or less the same interests and more or less the same personal (and physical) features as my parents and grandparents have. So, if DNA is, what defines me to be me, and my childrens DNA is also based on my DNA (as well as that of my partner), does that not mean, that my children, are more or less a part of me?
    Why do we eat or drink or breathe? Because we do not want to die. Why are we becoming children? For the same reason. If we wouldn’t, we would die. When we get children, and die afterwards, we are still living within/as these children. So our children are us and we are our parents.

    Further, I will also at some point in time, be reborn with the very same DNA and I will live the life I am living at the moment again, with all it’s important moments as well as all its little and unimportant moments, because time is a circle and repeats itself. I have already written this infinitely often in the past and I will do so in the future. I have already lived and I have already lived this very life, and I will live it again.
    More about this topic: https://forestsmountainsrivers.wordpress.com/2014/07/21/my-world-view-a-combination-of-leucippus-and-nietzsche/

  10. Regarding reincarnation withn your kin I always wondered : what if you don’t get to have any children at all? would you still be able to reincarnate?
    Anyways, I will always remember your work, both in music and in mythology, I know that if you somehow reincarnate in your decendants you will continue your struggle.

    • The topic is a bit complicated. You are never completely reborn, but to a great extent, because what is really reborn is your DNA (which of course defines you as a person). If you get children, most of your DNA (and thus of you) will be reborn within them. If you don’t get children, your brother/sister (with whom you share very much of your DNA) will probably, and thus much of your DNA (and thus of you) will be reborn in his/her children, although not as much as in your own children and so on.

  11. It is a very different view of the value of posthumous fame than that of the Stoics, mainly Marcus Aurelius, who I have seen that, in previous post, you valued as a great man. So what is your opinion about it? Personally, the stoic perspective on this subject is still the one that makes most sense.

    • Marcus Aurelius was a great man, but I don’t think everything he said was right. I think the most old theory, in the belief in reincarnation, is the most logical. As eloquently explained by Wídanaz in a few comments here.

      • I totally agree with the theory presented by Wídanaz. The topic in his discussion was what “reincarnation” really meant.

        The point I tried to make is that in my opinion, that was taken from Marcus Aurelius, your afterlife fame has no importance at all, but the things you do when you are alive is what matters. The many examples given in Meditations can represent what I am saying: lots of men have done explendid deeds while alive(including giving birth to a strong new generation), and no one can remember anything about them today (maybe not even some few after they died). So does that makes them less valuable men, or does it mean that they “failed” in getting their deserved recognition? I don’t think so. If a man is mostly concerned of the tales told about him in the future, then it is quite likely that he will not do the wright thing, but instead he will do what gives him more succes in the future (in the same way the “sucessful” modern man is always trying to achieve it while alive).

        I know that what I describe couldn’t be farther than what you really meant in your post, but that’s the way the “average man” (the greatest majority of the population) is going to understand about it, and that’s why I think that this theory may be both wrong and dangerous.

        In my life I try to do things not because they will give me fame in the future, but because they are right and just. Im surely not perfect, and I never really fulfil every task the way I wanted it to be, but at least I try. I see as an advantage that my goals are driven mostly by a sense of duty with the nature, which for me is most noble fuel for human creation. I also recognize that most people would never be able to live in that mannner, and a that maybe a more encompassing philosophy shoul be the one used with the majority, but I have never felt as “one more head in the multitude”.

        • Ah yes, Marcus Aurelius. Every time I want to buy something, I flip through The Meditations and I lose the desire to have it.

          “Very little is needed to make a happy life.”
          ~ Marcus Aurelius

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  13. You should take your own advice and read some Marcus Aurelius.

    “Short then is the time which every man lives, and small the nook of the earth where he lives; and short too the longest posthumous fame, and even this only continued by a succession of poor human beings, who will very soon die, and who know not even themselves, much less him who died long ago.””

    “He who has a powerful desire for posthumous fame does not consider that every one of those who remember him will himself also die very soon; then again also they who have succeeded them, until the whole remembrance shall have been extinguished as it is transmitted through men who foolishly admire and then perish. But suppose that those who will remember are even immortal, and that the remembrance will be immortal, what good will this do you?”

    “In the end, what would you gain from everlasting remembrance? Absolutely nothing. So what is left worth living for? This alone: justice in thought, goodness in action, speech that cannot deceive, and a disposition glad of whatever comes, welcoming it as necessary, as familiar, as flowing from the same source and fountain as yourself. “

    • Marcus Aurelius was a great man, but that doesn’t mean I think everything he wrote or said was good, right or positive.

      And I don’t know who is the most foolish of the two of you in this context; he who said that almost 2000 years ago, and who is still remembered (!), or you who try to use the words of a man who lived almost 2000 years ago as evidence against the immortality of our posthumous fame…

      Marcus Aurelius was a Roman, and the Romans had by then lost much of their tradition, but the ‘barbarians’ of Europe had not. So you should instead take a look at the excellent comment by Polydoros Talin in this thread, who quote Cæsar, regarding the reincarnation beliefs of the Gauls. Incidentally, they are identical to my own.

      • Your first point would be a fair one, had the ephemeral nature of time not been central to Aurelius’ entire philosphy. Why recommend the work of a man whose philosophy is entirely reliant on a point you disagree with?

        Had you actually understood Aurelius you would not view 2000 years as a significant span of time. As you point out quite frequently, the neanderthal man was superior to the modern man in almost every way. Consequently the neanderthal man was capable of far greater deeds than the modern man, yet how many of our pure neanderthal ancestors are individually remembered? none. Their memory was erased by the passage of time, as mine and yours will be, whether sooner or later.

        Regarding the comment you cite in Caesar’s ‘Conquest of Gaul’: We are both aware that Caesar made many false claims about the Gauls for scoring propaganda points at home. His ridiculous accusations of human sacrifice immediately come to mind do they not? In terms of relating the beliefs of the Gauls Caesar is unreliable at best.

        • Aurelius’ philosophy is not entirely reliant on something I disagree with. That’s just your claim. And as I see it, the ideas of the Stoics are very much misinterpreted by modern man; I think they rejected the wish to become famous for the sake of becoming famous, but they actually meant that fame was important and good, but that it should come not from the wish to become famous, but from the wish to do what is right. So you should become famous, but as a consequence of you doing what is right and honourable.

          Their memory was not erased by the passage of time, but by race mixing and the following degeneration, and then not least by Christianity, doing its best to ‘destroy our name under the sky’ (as is stated being one of their goals in the bible). And in spite of this, we still remember their special strengths and abilities — and they are all still here; in modern European bodies. Whom else do you think we come from? 😉

          Yes, Cæsar was a dishonest, genocidal shit of proportions, but his description of the Gaulish doctrine of reincarnation is identical to everything we know about the doctrines of the other ‘barbarians’ of Europe. So he was probably telling the truth in that context. And this doctrine is also 100% in accordance with everything we find out about pre-historic man and his world view. It is further 100% in accordance with all our high festivals (that all have been adopted and twisted by Christianity), the most obvious one being Halloween and the Yule tide. Our burial customs alone is proof that they believed in reincarnations.

          Even today we name our newborn children after their deceased forebears. Why? Because they are the same, they have returned, in the kin. Or that is what they believed in the past anyhow — and I must say it again; we still practice this custom, although not with the knowledge of what it really is all about.

  14. I don’t personally believe in physical reincarnation. I see it more like we are ‘reborn’ in our children and we live on in them, and also in the memories we leave behind.

    The more knowledge we then pass down to ‘ourselves’ (ie, our children), the better the future will be for ‘us’.

    I think that’s why it’s important to look after the environment. It’s not a case of doing it so I personally can be better off in the future, it’s a case of doing it so ‘I’ can be better off in the future.

    If that makes any sense at all.

    • Absolutely, how can reincarnation be physical in any sense of the meaning? But the belief system that Varg described here is beneficial to humanity simply because egoistical people exist and if they know that what they do now will affect them forever then their actions can become honour-bound and good, regardless of the megalomaniacal reasoning behind it.

  15. This is a beautiful and interesting view, but it raises many problems. How do you know which one of the famous people of the past is your former self? If you have some specific memories about your previous life, then you don’t have to be famous, but rather enjoy a direct mental short-cut to your past self. However, if you don’t have many memories how can you know whom you used to be? Maybe, for instance, I was John Lennon or JFK or Arthur Schopenhauer or Marilyn Monroe? How am I to decide between all of these possibilities? Also, fame is very contextual and relative to culture. Like, some actors are famous in Bollywood and others are famous in Hollywood. What if my reincarnated self will live in India, and be completely ignorant with respect to Paul Newman, my previous self. Moreover, fame is something you can’t really control. So maybe is wiser to not focus on it, but rather on things within your reach. Who’s to say your previous self, Varg, didn’t make this decision? Who are you among the countless wise, talented men of the past? Socrates, Nietzsche, Jung, or maybe Wagner or Mozart? Or did your previous self maybe turn its back to fame and decided to live a hermit’s life in a cave? Or maybe he’s one of the ones who wanted to be famous but didn’t quite make it, like some second-rate actress who ended up at the bottom of the porn industry, despite initial delusions of fame?

    • That is why we have the tradition called ‘Halloween’; the evening when we are hallowed, and become a reborn man.

      You can read about this in the High Festivals chapter of MYFAROG, or wait for videos about this on Marie Cachet’s YouTube channel.

    • No, because memory is not what defines us as who we are. You cannot remember every day of your life, but still you are the person who experienced them. You won’t really remember this life either in a next life. Or can you remember being your great grandfather? The point is, what defines us, as who we are is our DNA. Your children’s DNA will be very much like your’s and your brother’s/sister’s children’s DNA too, but not that much, even your cousin’s children’s DNA, but even less…

  16. Mr. Vikernes, I agree that reincarnation can be reached via the children of your kin, however, with all do respect, this idea that you will live forever (As a form similar to your current self) is no better or worse than a Christian saying he will go to heaven and live forever.

    Reincarnation is reproduction, essentially. And the idea that your current knowledge will somehow skip generations and land into a new body sounds very supernatural to me. And I think that we can all agree that nature doesn’t allow the supernatural because ghosts, monsters, soul swapping has no benefit or meaning to nature and no individual is more special than another. If a human were to be reincarnated then a mere house fly would have to, as well.

    You will not be reincarnated after you die, and do you know why? Because you already have been! You have many lovely children that are all an extension of you! Your future self or selves is already her on earth with you!

    Don’t mean to offend; I just enjoy meddling 😉

    • With all due respect, what you say here is utterly foolish.

      First of all, the idea of being accepted amongst the immortals, i. e. the deities, is a purely Pagan idea. And if you don’t see the difference between embracing eternal life here on Earth and embracing a fictional ‘Paradise’ at the expense of life here on Earth, then you should get a pair of glasses, quickly.

      And your claim that the continuation of knowledge from generation to generation is ‘supernatural’ is just absurd. So if I write a book and then let the coming generations learn from reading it, that is ‘supernatural’ to you?

      About immortality through reproduction, I agree, and that is what I say in this post too. Not only my children are an extension of me. Others in my race are too; we share blood too.

      I don’t think you have understood what I wrote here.

  17. Thank for giving such a poetic picture of reincarnation. You really put into perspective the importance of keeping this planet growing by leaving behind wisdom so we can be eternally growing.

    • This is an extension of what he says in the post. By sharing his knowledge and beliefs he creates a better world for his next self to live in. The more enlightened Europeans now, means only the more later when he is reborn.

      • I like to consider it beyond just centering around myself, in a way. Sure: better for all, better for yourself. But I think a sense of unity with your kin, tribe, race etc is essential in Paganism. We should strive to be heroes for that reason. Have a sense of duty.

  18. ‘The principal point of their [the Gauls’] doctrine is that the soul does not die and that after death it passes from one body into another. . .the main object of all education is, in their opinion, to imbue their scholars with a firm belief in the indestructibility of the human soul, which, according to their belief, merely passes at death from one tenement to another; for by such doctrine alone, they say, which robs death of all its terrors, can the highest form of human courage be developed.’
    -Julius Caesar, De Bello Gallico, VI

  19. I sometimes have the feeling, especially in the form of déjà vu, that I’m walking on somebody else’s footsteps, making them my own.
    When I first stumbled into the Ôðalist community, I didn’t think to myself “oh well, these guys seem cool, I’ll jump aboard and see how it goes”, it was more like “wow, there are other people who share my thoughts and ideas, some have for dozens of years, and they’re much more than I had expected!”.
    I feel just the same when I finish reading a book I like so much it feels as it was me who wrote it.

  20. Let me tell you a story, about 8 years ago i took a mushroom trip, i myself collected the magic mushrooms,i did not buy those, i took them from a fårhage, were they grew wild. And during My ” trip” i experienced egodeath, it washorrible, i had to say goodbuy to everything in this life and My personal history and even My name,i struggled and did not want that, but i had to go throught it even thou i was scared to tears, so i started walking to the bathroom and looked at myself in the mirror One more time before i Said goodbuy, and then got into the tub and laid down to die, it was hell, next thing i remember is i wake up, but now its not me, but at the same time it is, everything was familiour, i saw only love and pureness, i realized what life is, i realized who i am, in My core, life , a formless being experiencing in a body as human, we are acting humans, i dont know why but i got a sense its because its fun. I felt i understood the universe, its neither good or bad, it just is, and i also experienced time is only illusion , you can actually reincarnate back in time, i also could see clearly urds väv in everything i saw, the walls in My room, on the trees etc. i realized that we are all One, i could see and listen to grass or trees, they are very alive, later when i looked up on the sky i saw the star alignments with green wires connecting the signs, it was beautiful. when i later Came back to From the trip, and got back My ” identity” , it wasdepressing to come back to this ” gray” world were everyone is asleep. Few are really Alive. But anyways it still cheers me up, Coz i know i experienced something wery alive and real.

  21. Do you feel you have an ancestor that left his life with posthumous fame, and may have passed on knowledge to you, which you did not have to struggle to find in your current life, save from learning of his posthumous fame? V.Q perhaps?

  22. It’s really difficult but we are trying to do this via following you and your family and your blog. Tak

    • This website has many interesting interviews with researchers and their critics on reincarnation (and similar topics):
      http://www.skeptiko.com/past-shows-2/post-list/

      See esp. Interview 173., Dr. Erlendur Haraldsson Studies Reincarnation and Children’s Memories of Past Lives
      ‘Parapsychology researcher from Iceland explores the past life memories of children. Join Skeptiko guest host and paranormal dream expert Andy Paquette for an interview with parapsychology researcher and author of, The Departed Among the Living’…

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