Metempsychosis

Bulgarian. French. MagyarSerbian. Spanish.

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As explained here and here, our forebears believed in reincarnation and the eternal existence of the honourable man. There was no “punishment” for the bad, and no “reward” for the good, other than rebirth – here on Earth, in the kin – for the honourable.

What they believed was that when you died your body went to Hel (“hidden”), i. e. the burial mound/grave. This was a cold, dark and damp place, but it was really just a name for the grave. Our dead bodies return to earth, as simple as that. Your mind (called “soul” by the Judeo-Christians) was sent to heaven to be purified by the fire of the Sun. Again, like with Hel, there was no ‘punishment’ or ‘suffering’ involved. You just had to remove the bad parts with cleansing fire, to make sure they did not return when you were reborn into a new body.

The amount of ‘you’ to be reborn was equal to the ‘amount of your mind’ that would be left after the cleansing fire had removed the bad parts. Thus the truly honourable could be reborn ‘in full’, so to speak. Others had only small fragments of their minds reborn, and of course yet others – the thoroughly rotten – were simply removed. They ceased to be, they ceased to exist. They passed into oblivion.

The most honourable dead were buried in beautiful graves, and when the children grew old enough they could chose themselves whom they were to be reborn as. The more honour a dead person had, the more children would be interested in being reborn as him.

Men often chose to bring their most valuable possessions with them into the graves when they died, to make sure that they could keep them in the next life as well – and possibly also to entice children to chose to be reborn as them, if their honour was not enough. So the more honour and the more wealth a dead person had, the greater the probability that a child would choose to be reborn as him.

If a dead person was never chosen by a child, then he would never be reborn. So the honour itself was not enough: the honourable dead had to be chosen by a child as well, in order to be reborn. There was no automatic rebirth even for the most honourable.

European Pagans also let the fire purify in life:

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You might argue that there is no evidence to support the belief in reincarnation. You might claim that there is no such thing. Ok, but as I see it we will be better off if we live in societies where people believe in reincarnation than we are in societies where people believe in either nothing (atheists) or in some fictional “Heavenly Paradise” (Judeo-Christianity). It doesn’t matter if it is real or not: what matters is that people who believe that they are to be reborn here on Earth, in the same society, will do their best to ensure the happiness and health of their descendants!

Will you catch all the fish in the ocean, kill all game in the forest, chop down all the trees or pump up all the oil and use it all in your lifetime, if you believe that you will be reborn here on Earth? Will you leave nothing for your future reborn self? Of course not. You will instead try to preserve all that is good, to create more good, and try to pass it on to those who come after you – to yourself in future lives.

I care not if I actually am to be reborn or not, if reincarnation is real or not, but I see the value of such a belief system for my species, and understand that only such a belief system will ensure the survival of all that is good and just. Only such a belief system will enable the betterment of our species. No matter what you think, say or feel; all the alternatives are worse in all respects, because whether we like it or not: man is an egotistical creature. Rather than try to suppress man’s ego, we should use it to cultivate great societies.

HailaR WôðanaR!

The purifying fire of the Sun:

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  3. “Unaccomplished activities of past lives are also one of the causes for reincarnation. Some of us reincarnate to complete the unfinished tasks of previous birth. The is evident from my own story of reincarnation:
    “My most Revered Guru of my previous life His Holiness Maharaj Sahab, 3rd Spiritual Head of Radhasoami Faith had revealed this secret to me during trance like state of mine. This was sort of REVELATION.
    HE told me, “Tum Sarkar Sahab Ho” (You are Sarkar Sahab). Sarkar Sahab was one of the most beloved disciple of His Holiness Maharj Sahab. Sarkar Sahab later on became Fourth of Spiritual Head Radhasoami Faith.
    Since I don’t have any direct realization of it so I can not claim the extent of its correctness. But it seems to be correct. During my previous birth I wanted to sing the song of ‘Infinite’ (Agam Geet yeh gawan chahoon tumhri mauj nihara, mauj hoi to satguru soami karoon supanth vichara) but I could not do so then since I had to leave the mortal frame at a very early age. But through the unbounded Grace and Mercy of my most Revered Guru that desire of my past birth is being fulfilled now.”
    I am one the chief expounder and supporter of Gravitation Force Theory of God. This is most scientific and secular theory of God. This is the Theory of Universal Religion. I have given Higher Theory of Everything. Sometimes back I posted this as comments to a blog on:
    ‘Fighting of the Cause of Allah by Governing a Smart Mathematics Based on Islamic Teology’
    By Rohedi of Rohedi Laboratories, Indonesia. Rohedi termed my higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Some details are quoted below:
    rohedi
    @anirudh kumar satsangi
    Congratulation you have develop the higher theory of everything more wonderful than which has been developed by Stephen Hawking. Hopefully your some views for being considered for Unified Field Theory are recognized by International Science Community, hence I soon read the fundamental aspect proposed by you.
    I have posted my comments to the Blog of Syed K. Mirza on Evolutionary Science vs. Creation Theory, and Intellectual Hypocrisy. Syed Mirza seems to be a very liberal muslim. He responded to my comments as mentioned below.
    “Many thanks for your very high thought explanations of God.
    You said:
    “Hence it can be assumed that the Current of Chaitanya (Consciousness) and Gravitational Wave are the two names of the same Supreme Essence (Seed) which has brought forth the entire creation. Hence it can be assumed that the source of current of consciousness and gravitational wave is the same i.e. God or ultimate creator.
    (i) Gravitation Force is the Ultimate Creator, Source of Gravitational Wave is God”
    Whatever you call it, God is no living God of any religion. Yes, when I call it “Mother Nature” is the God generated from all Natural forces and Gravitational force is the nucleus of all forces or we can presume that Gravitation is the ultimate guiding principle of this Mother Nature we call it non-living God unlike living personal God of religions. I can not believe any personal God would do so much misery created for its creation. Hence, only non-living natural God can explain everything in the Universe. When we think of any living personal God, things do not ad up!”
    I have also discovered the mathematical expression for emotional quotient (E.Q.) and for spiritual quotient (S.Q.).
    Austrian Scientist Rudolf Steiner says,
    “Just as an age was once ready to receive the Copernican theory of the universe, so is our age ready for the idea of reincarnation to be brought into the general consciousness of humanity”.

  4. I liked this post. Basically how I feel, and felt, about these things too for a long while now. That’s a weird coincidence since I never used to follow this blog before half a year or so.
    But if one ‘listens’ to the blood……

  5. Yes! Absolutely right Varg! It doesn’t even matter if reincarnation is real or not! Though it’s better to believe it is and live in accordance with nature and the world around us, rather than believe in nothing and live for nothing or believe in heaven and not conserve or care about the fate of this world when you die because Armageddon is inevitable. Maybe this is what the Abrahamic religions want? To destroy Earth to it’s core?
    I believe that in maybe one day or a zillion years that the same equation that equals you will come back together and form you again. The galaxy is infinite and so are the possibilities. I’ve been thinking like this for years, it just seems right. I’m always open-minded but conservative in my core.
    Brilliant article!

      • The daemonia nymphe song. By the way, regarding your article, do you think, that it was common in ancient europe to be reborn as somebody who already has been reborn, for example if your big brother choses to be reborn as your great grandfather and you do the same. Do you think this was possible?

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  7. And now is, for the first time, when I have opened my eyes. I used to read this blog but I didn’t catch the message at all. Much thanks for writing this stuff, I believe more people will find it useful, as me.
    I just was born in a liberal/atheist family and they have a strong environment-protective sense, so I can’t agree fully with what you say. However, it’s true that the pagan belief system ensures the protection of nature and environment for our sons.
    The question now is, how can I (and I don’t speak only for me personally) convert to this belief system from atehism/nihilism?

    • Thanks, that’s nice to know, and kind of you to share.

      You don’t need to ‘convert’ to Paganism. It is already in your blood. When you open your eyes and get rid of the misconceptions created by the ‘brainwash’ of other systems, then you are already Pagan. 😉

  8. And why exactly do you think that atheists believe nothing? As long as I know being an atheist only means that you don’t believe in god(s).
    I am an atheist and I have with me all the morals that you prefer to call deities.

    • Then you only call yourself an atheist. An atheist does not believe in anything, except what he can touch and see and own. A hardcore materialist.
      I think some people prefer to call themselves “atheists”, so it means, that they do not practice any of the Hebrew religions, because they only know these.
      But most are just worthless leftist-liberal-socialists.

      • “I think some people prefer to call themselves “atheists”, so it means, that they do not practice any of the Hebrew religions, because they only know these.”

        Very true. I called myself an atheist before I found this blog.

        To me modern day atheists are exactly what you said “worthless leftist-liberal-socialists.”

      • Again, atheism comes from the greek word “atheos” that means “without god”. The only thing you can measure from it is that an atheist doesn’t believe in god. If many leftist-liberal-socialists are are atheists and believe nothing, it doesn’t necessarily make all the others the same. Do not make dumb generalizations.
        For the european paganism, a deity represents justice, but justice itself doesn’t need a deity to have a meaning.
        There’s also justice, courage, etc. and other cultures, they do not relate them to european deities… so which one is real? The one you choose to believe.
        If I pratice justice, in my own beliefs, I’m just praticing a VIRTUE, not some deity’s spirit. If you want to relate it to gods, then it’s up to you.

        • If justice is not a “good” (= god) thing to you, then yes: you are an atheist… 😉

          • I never thought that I would have to say that I of course think that justice is a good thing. But it doesn’t make a virtue become a deity. So?

              • I’ve read it the day you posted, I don’t disagree about anything you expressed there, on the contrary.
                Just your belief that a virtue is an impersonated deity makes you pagan, but not believing it won’t change the moral values of it, it’s just a different perspective.
                So yes, atheists can also have their own beliefs.

                • You two are just arguing terminology as far as I see it. Think of it this way, you’re watching a play with a very stereotypical villain and good guy. Something real simple, a thief and a constable. The constable is effectively ‘impersonating the deity of justice’ whilst you would just say he is ‘acting a part.’ You are both talking about the same thing. And so long as you are both rooting for the constable in the play, you are on the same side.

        • Atheist means without a god, but what does god mean? Can you explain what is god and why you said “all the morals that you prefer to call deities.”? I mean specifically the word “prefer”, because it implies that you do not agree with this definition of deities.

          As you say justice is represented by different gods in several cultures, but equally different is the word justice itself. Does it mean that the word justice is not important? I think it is, because it represents an ideal which can through language be praised and teached. Religion and mythology in general served the same purpose. They are not mandatory for one to be honourable, but they do help to cultivate the ideals.

          • God means nothing to me, did you forget that I don’t believe in it?

            “Religion and mythology in general served the same purpose. They are not mandatory for one to be honourable, but they do help to cultivate the ideals.”

            So what is a myth and what is religion to you? It’s kind of contraditory to mention both things.
            And yes, they are not mandatory, that’s why so many people live free and well without them. Never needed any of this to be a good person. 😉

            Just to give you an advice, don’t trust anything you read on blogs, even when they make sense. Serious researches have sources and empiric evidences, I don’t see so many around here.

            • But, we cannot define a word by using it in its definition. One cannot identify as an atheist without having an understanding of what god is. For example you could say that you don’t believe that someone created the universe, governs human lives and is waiting to punish us at an afterlife. All of them imply your understanding of god and what it is that you do not believe in.

              Mythology is stories with a life lesson. Religion is a set of practices based on a belief system. Maybe it seems contradictory because myth changed meaning to fictional story, but it literally means lesson. The important part was not if the story was literally true. This only becomes a matter when one promises his god will grant you eternal life etc. Then you really care if that god exists or not. But if the purpose is to inspire you to be better in your life I don’t see a problem with it.

              I don’t follow any religion. How can you explain that many people who theoretically have access to the exact same information as yourself believe literally in gods? Maybe some people just need that in their life, we are not all the same. If we need to have a religion in our society, I’d rather have a good one. As for the historical truth of this blog, I don’t really care. The purpose as I see it is not to study what ancient Europeans believed exactly (which I find stupid, since they were people like us and obviously had different opinions like we do today. In Greece ideas ranged from mysticism to agnosticism and atheism.), but to promote a healthy way of life for us modern Europeans.

  9. I think it’s most natural for children to look towards their parents. We have it built in us to be loyal; this means being loyal to our parents. At a certain point(ie now), we can no longer reliably look towards our parents as good examples for imitation. When this happens we reach our point of pressurized change. There is a conflict: do I go against my good sense of duty, or do I see the doom that this good sense will lead me towards? How is that my good sense can lead me astray? This is the madness at work. To break this bond is painful, and for good reason. However, I think the greater good must be chosen, if even regretfully. Indeed when relatives are severed by the likes of feminism, materialism, foreign religions, globalism, etc, this will eventually build to a breaking point.

    I also believe that the belief in reincarnation and even paganism is superior, whether real or not. Or perhaps I mean by the degree of this reality. Certainly, I believe in it as a pragmatic model, but whether I will expand this concept, and how far, to the supernatural, is a question yet determined. I don’t know for sure what I think about praying or personifying ideals in your mind. Part of the problem is that we are coming off of the cusp of a destructive period. How accurate can we be in assessing the old at this time? We were brought up in a foreign culture, and our initial method of rejection is what we call atheism, although atheism has probably existed prior, to an extent. In a sense it is a rejection of what forms the basis. The basis itself was foreign. We have to be careful not to apply our reaction to Christianity to our assessment of our native culture and religion. I’m not saying for a fact that I think that is the case, but the thought does cross my mind as being likely.

    • Adalwolf, that is a good little essay you wrote. Anyway, I don’t know if reincarnation is a fact or if the Christian version about an eternal heavenly afterlife is what we can expect. While I’m agnostic on this, I must admit that the whole idea of having to go through this life on Earth 300 times makes me truly ill. The Christian version is, well, a lot “nicer”, at least for those of us who struggle to be both smart and good.

      Belief in a certain version of things may, as you & Varg say, be the issue, not whether it is accurate or not. However, this hinges on the entire society you live in following the same belief. Multiculturalism kills this possibility. And that is where we are stuck.

      • But we won’t remember any of our past lives. The river of forgetfulness ensures it. We will only be living as culminations of our ancestors. Eternal afterlife is here on earth.

        • Well there’s one thing,(some kids or all of us, we just don’t remember)unfortunately, about 6 years old or we, we so forget precious memories that we keep alive between 2 and 4 years. Ancient traditions say about what we should do to not forget our past. Related to the called “waters of oblivion” that quench our thirst but erase our memories as the Orphic tradition. If you drink of the Lethe river, you will forget everything. So, since there’s nothing to lose this is something to consider even if doesn’t happens: do not drink of it.

        • That really is just it William. It’s a beautiful thought.. getting to relive those first few years and getting to rediscover the world an infinite number of times. An eternity in Heaven would quickly turn to an eternity of Hell as you would eventually get bored. The craving for novelty is something firmly rooted in all our minds I fear and the only belief system that addresses it healthily is Paganism. Not only will you never get bored but you can be comfortable doing what must be done as you can always check out the ‘greener grass’ in another lifetime.

          The result of the ‘YOLO’ camp can best be seen with women in their 50s who have spent their whole lives traveling the world looking for their ‘soulmate.’ Christian, Atheist, or whatever else… this is always the end result.

    • Adalwolf,

      That’s very insightful on your part. Especially how you speak of the breaking from the family. That is key to understanding yourself fully and yes it is painful. As you become older and a parent yourself, you begin to see your life and your parents in a new light. This is why in my opinion having children is so important. It is a chance to guide their “rebirth”. There are certain things that cannot be quantified unless you have to deal with that struggle between how you were raised and how you want to raise your children. It ultimately has such a profound affect too on the future generations. Its a question of how and why you are doing this and then ultimately if one can be honest with themselves…how it will affect the environment around you once you are “gone”. I agree with you that it is extremely hard to grasp at some form of tangibility in the world because we were raised in a “foreign culture”. This is that delicate balance between that which we imagine and what may truly be the reality. In a way, we may never know or even get close. Personally, I try not to get too caught up in this cycle of what cannot be perceived because I believe it takes away from the importance of self-evaluation and then action on that part. I believe sometimes the hardest part is severing ties (like with family) who you see are degenerating and not trying to change. In the end, it is painful but necessary to understanding better what you are and how you can change for the better…whilst sometimes traveling that journey alone. Especially prevalent in today’s societies this will be a reality for a lot of us to choose, the path of most resistance or what is “familiar” or cultivated by the constructs of modernity. The burden is very heavy to bear, its not for all. In the end, its one of many choices that will perhaps lead us closer to understanding what truly once was.

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  11. Yes, and this is who we are, Varg as you might know fortunately me and my family we’re almost like in your situation so derfor we can’t be in the urban place but we’re really wishing that this year we could be there in person near to you but never forget that you’re always in our hearts and minds, last year on your court process the only thing that I could do it was to wear my tshirt with the TP address on it that maybe the people around me who access to internet and reading these USEFUL informations here COULD WAKEUP from the deep poisonoes abrahamic nightmares and I’m pretty sure that will one day happen. Be sure that THERE IS A JUSTICE :

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  13. I have a dilema, what things could be considered the bad parts for example? as we look at today’s world, in Europe there’s so many people that won’t make it to the next phase, or that it what it seems like it, as it is explained in the “From whence I came” post. That to me, would mean that the honorauble, the awakened Europeans, will have a more special place in the future, a brutal selection is taking place right now.
    In an homogenous and sane society we would be taking less precautions, because we are amongst our own kin and there’s not poisons and calculated plans to destroy us. But, in this rotten world today we’re under attack from all fronts so we must double, even triple-check and make sure to protect our cultivation so we can have a good harvest tomorrow.

  14. If you’ll forgive some cut & paste, this is how I present this idea to those still firmly locked in Christian thought.

    And doesn’t childhood not describe Heaven well. A place of limitless imagination with no cruelty or unfairness? Sounds like being raised by good white parents in a good white world, and then when you get older you step up to make sure the cycle continues for the next generation(and the past.) Heaven can’t run itself and I think we’ve seen enough evidence that whatever Gods may exist don’t see fit to meddle with our affairs, at least not directly. I do see angles as little spirits/energy puffs/something unexplainable which subtly push the world in various directions usually by leaving signs or putting thoughts in peoples’ heads. Always for the better, I don’t believe in demons, not supernatural demons at least.

    Like myself you(I was addressing a close friend) were cheated out of Heaven(a pure childhood) by today’s corrupt system. I kinda sorta got it out of computer games.. but not really as that was just an escape. Now we are both adults and we could drown ourselves in mindless games and ‘fun’ but it’s our turn to create/maintain Heaven for the next generation. No it isn’t fair that we have to maintain a prize we never got a part of, but fair is a made up word, used by those who feel themselves entitled. If we succeed we will bear the fruits of our labor in another lifetime. If we don’t do it we will miss out again and again, and have hellish childhoods again and again.

  15. Reblogged this on newsfromatlantis and commented:
    Everything positive in Christianity comes from Paganism. Everything negative comes from Judaism. The current Judæo-Christian farce is an affront to our heritage, and like the cleansing fire, the Judaic element must be removed so that we can return to our indigenous Pagan roots.

  16. We are our ancestors and our descendants at the same time, we are a short physical manifestation of an eternal biological entity, whose beginning we don’t know like we don’t know whether it has an end. There can be a better manifestation of this entity just like there might be a worser one. Everything we do today will affect the us of tomorrow. There are greater chances that our physical manifestation of tomorrow will be better if we are trying being better today than having not trying this. Egoism is one of our instincts of self-preservation, so that when we want good for the us of today we actually want good for the us of tomorrow(our descendants), so that when we help somebody of our specie, we actually help ourselves(so actually the plants do in nature). But this is just my opinion and what I believe in.

    • I utterly share your view on this. As I see it our personality dies but our soul reincarnates through our descendants in body and spirit. And as for everything in life, some of us have higher abilities to connect again with what they was once, to remember that they already lived, like a reminiscence which makes them remember feelings and shows them the good way.

  17. To me the thought that we have more than one life is also quite logical .
    If we see Man as Energy ; energy never dies , it only goes over to new forms…
    The Energy of a Noble Man never dies .
    An other “flesh” will snap up the Spirit and Energy of a Noble Man forever !

  18. The Ego is something that is usually associated with arrogance, or insecurity. The truth however is that we all have an Ego, it’s the thing that keeps us alive. It’s the sense of self, and the idealized image of your own identity. Some people accuse this aspect of being a ‘false’ self-image.

    The Ego in very simple terms is the fire at your heels, it keeps you moving. I don’t like the idea of it being something to conquer or to banish, but something to motivate yourself towards your true potential whatever that may be.

  19. “I care not if I actually am to be reborn or not, if reincarnation is real or not, but I see the value of such a belief system for my species, and understand that only such a belief system will ensure the survival of all that is good and just. Only such a belief system will enable the betterment of our species. No matter what you think, say or feel; all the alternatives are worse in all respects, because whether we like it or not: man is an egotistical creature. Rather than try to suppress man’s ego, we should use it to cultivate great societies.”

    This is such an important point Varg. Many times people are getting caught up in the technicalities, the literals of this or that. They end up missing the point. We end up cutting ourselves off from that tie to nature and the whole point of being alive. It is so much easier to exist than to live. Existing for ones ideals is a good thing, getting caught up in such details limits the person’s ability to feel and ultimately follow his intuition. Thus we end up living for ourselves and not the greater good for future or past generations.

    • Agreed. Too many people will spend their lives arguing over their ideals instead of upholding them and dispensing them for the greater good of our people and future generations.

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